A quite common remark or wish on the forums is to remove the Golden goal, and I also saw a comment about it here. FIFA don’t use it anymore, so why would we?
Because we have good reasons to keep it.
The golden goal rule was introduced in the early 90s. The purpose with the golden goal was that it should lead to more offensive and attracting football in overtime, and also reduce the number of penalty shoot-outs. While it did reduce the amount of shoot-outs, it didn’t lead to more attacking play. Quite the contrary, it lead to more defensive play. Teams rather secured their defense to make sure they wouldn’t lose than went for the golden goal. So about 10 years after its introduction, the golden goal was replaced with ordinary extra time again.
In Hattrick however, we don’t have this problem. Hattrick teams don’t start playing more defensively in extra-time, they go for the golden goal. And the golden goal also reduces the amount of penalty shoot-outs in the game, which is a really good thing. It’s much better if the game is decided without going to penalty shoot-out. Shoot-outs is not exactly the killer feature in real football, nor in Hattrick.
Therefore it makes total sense to keep the golden goal rule in Hattrick. It does what it is supposed to do; it’s a golden solution for us.
And from what I heard lately Fifa is considering to reintroduce the golden goal. Or skip the extra-time and go directly to shoot-outs after 90 minutes. I guess that’s mostly words, but one never knows. Fifa is at least closer to changing their minds than what we are. 🙂
That said, I hope they stick to their current rule.
I think it would just be better to admit that the penalty shoot-outs are pretty random in HT (even more random than in RL) than pretend that the golden goal is a very exciting feature.
Every now and then the truth is better than the marketing excuses.
I just said that penalty shoot-outs isn’t exactly a killer feature. I actually guess it’s less random in HT than in real football, but that’s besides the point (and it’s impossible to determine as well). Penalty shoot-outs should be avoided, if possible.
That doesn’t make the golden goal a very exciting feature. I don’t make such claim either, just that it’s the best extra-time solution in Hattrick.
I really hate golden goal. I really find more amusing match that continue in overtime even after a goal. Maybe more gol arrive with more emotions. Some of the most amusing matches of real soccer never happen with this rule (like Italy-German 4-3).
And, at the end, i prefer the pathos of the penality kicks rather than the ending emotion of a golden goal.
So i really hope that you remove it.
“In Hattrick however, we don’t have this problem [more defensive play]. Hattrick teams don’t start playing more defensively in extra-time, they go for the golden goal.”
You’ve been using this argument for a while, and I never understand how it is in any way relevant. The main gripe with the Golden goal in HT is not more/less defensive play, but the fact that a team may be able to win the game based on a single chance, without any opportunity for the opponent to reply.
And with the way possession determines who gets the chances, not to mention the random nature of chance distribution, that has never struck me as a great way to end the game. (To be noted, I won two golden goal games in a row just this season when I had no business getting even to extra time, and I STILL don’t like GG.)
The “we don’t like penalty kicks argument” is a more sound one, but I would still take the random of penalties over the random of who gets the first chance and get lucky and day of the week, and twice on matchday.
I use that argument because one have to see the difference between real football and Hattrick. It was removed in real football because it lead to more defensive play, but as we don’t have that problem there’s no reason to remove it.
I’ve seen the argument you pushed forward as well and I can understand your point of view.
But as I see it we have extra-time to find a winner. That’s what it’s there for. You can’t treat it as a single chance, as you then forget about the ordinary 90 minutes of play. It’s not any different from getting the last chance in the match in the 89th minute.
“You can’t treat it as a single chance, as you then forget about the ordinary 90 minutes of play. It’s not any different from getting the last chance in the match in the 89th minute.”
Hm, I’ll take this one and run away with it. Getting the last chance in the 89th minute is perfectly fine because there have been 90 minutes, in which the chances have been distributed fairly according to the possession (on average, anyway).
The possibility of ending the game after one chance in extra time (which is there, and very real) means one of the teams can get lucky and the other one will have no chance to react. If you have 30 minutes to get chances fairly distributed throughout, then I believe this is a much more equitable situation than a series of single chances with the potential of ending the game.
“I use that argument because one have to see the difference between real football and Hattrick. It was removed in real football because it lead to more defensive play, but as we don’t have that problem there’s no reason to remove it.”
As for the real football parallels, I never really care for them, but as it’s already there, let’s go through that one as well. First, Golden Goal is in HT only because it was the status quo in real football when HT came out, is it not? Therefore, now the logical thing to do would be to follow the status quo and revert back.
Second, when you use the “but it doesn’t have RL’s negative consequences” argument, you fail to account for the fact that it doesn’t have many positive ones either – or any at all, except for the dubious one about penalties. Heck, it doesn’t promote more offensive play, which was supposedly the whole idea, so why not scrap it.
The team who loses to a golden goal has already had 90 minutes to win the game, why do they need even more time to reply?
They didn’t win on a single chance, they won over all of the chances in normal time PLUS however many chances were in extra time, which is often not 1 in a game that ended in a draw.
This is exactly what I mean. You can’t just take one chance in a game and isolate it from the others, no matter if this chance happens in ET or not.
well golden goal is indeed a good idea to keep it ….
Golden goal is for ice hockey or whatever, but not for football.
Btw in some cases you argue “HT is not like real life football” in other cases “we want to be close to RL”, just what fits best for your reasoning.
I don’t understand why you should try to minimze the number of penalty shootouts? It’s way better, thrilling, interesting and closer to real life than golden, silver or whatever-color-goals.
How many “great” golden goals in RL do you remember and how many shootouts? The answer is maybe one gg (euro96 Bierhoff, because it was the first gg – well, it wasn’t but we’ll leave that aside) and a lot of shootouts, because they were dramatic and thrilling.
I want to minimize penalty shootouts just because it’s not part of the normal game in that sense. It’s a way to find a winner if a match can’t be settled in any other way. It’s just that finding a winner in another way (playing football) is what I find the best.
the problem is, that you cosider ET in RL always to be boring. but rember games like italy-germany in 1970. we also should have the chance to go for the equalizer by changing tactics (e.g. more offence). wouldnt it be cool to go in the lead an then see the oppenent deciding for more offence while oneself ist going for a bit more defence hoping that it will work out?
that way ET could become quite cool, a real chance for games you never forget.
I personally don’t consider ET in RL boring. Quite the opposite generally speaking. But it looks like FIFA consider ET boring.
Surely it’s possible for teams to start playing more defensively when extra time starts by making substitutions and/or changes?
Sure. They can also start playing more offensive that way. I just refer to the normal situation in Hattrick and compare it to RL.
Since you are keeping the golden goal rule and penalty shootouts will still happen, I hope you will fix the penalty kicker lineup bug: A subbed in player does not take the spot of the player subbed out in the penalty kick lineup.
So, for example, when set a substitution order to have my divine set-piece enter in the 105 minute, he should figure into my penalty line up plans. Currently, it seems he is bumped to the end of the penalty lineup.
I’ve set a ticket about this before. Still not fixed and it is frustrating.
I have to agree with GG being the better option. I consider that way more thrilling than the shootouts. Knowing that the game might end any minute makes me sit on needles.
In RL, yes, shootouts are quite thrilling. But in HT, not so much.
We all know (or we guess) how the chances are distributed over the first 90 minutes based on midfield value of the teams. And most of us agree that the distribution is quite fair.
But maybe you can tell us how are they distributed in the ET. The main reason that some don’t find Golden Goal to be fair is because we have actually no idea how the chances are being distributed in the last 30 minutes of the game.
As a matter of fact we also don’t know how the chances are sorted in the fist 90 minutes but noone really cared much about that since we know that we’ll get a chance to retaliate based on posession. But in ET all is different.
So if you can give us an insight about how the chances are distributed and sorted out in the ET maybe we’ll agree that golden goal is fair. Untill then it will just look like a lottery even more of a lottery than pentalies are.
When I realised that “feature” I was dissapointed. Why should you keep it in Hattrick, when it ‘s gone in real football?